Hillary Clinton: Libya No-Fly Zone Must Have International Support, Not Be U.S. Led
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LONDON, March 8 (Reuters) - Any no-fly zone over Libya must have international backing and not be a U.S.-led effort, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday.
"We want to see the international community support it," she told Sky News when asked about a no-fly zone over Libya.
"I think it's very important that this not be a U.S.-led effort because this comes from the people of Libya themselves. This doesn't come from the outside, this doesn't come from some Western power or some Gulf country saying 'This is what you should do'," she said.
Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are trying to suppress a revolt against his 41-year rule.
Clinton said the crisis could be protracted.
Story continues below blockquote .mid_article_ad_label{border:1px solid #dddddd;}Advertisement"We've called for Colonel Gaddafi to leave. We believe that he has totally given up any legitimacy to power. When a leader turns against his own people, that is the end. But we know that there is a long road ahead for being able to try to resolve this.
"We'd like to see this resolved peacefully. We would like to see him (Gaddafi) go peacefully. We would like to see a new government come peacefully," Clinton said.
"But if that's not possible, then we are going to work with the international community. Now there are countries that do not agree with that and we think it's important that the United Nations make this decision, not the United States. So far the United Nations has not done that," she said.
Asked about the possibility of lifting a recently imposed arms embargo on Libya and supporting the rebels, Clinton said:
"Everything is being looked at. It is difficult in the midst of this civil conflict that's going on now to even know how you would do that, because right now it's not clear what part of the country is actually under rebel control."
Britain and France are working on a U.N. Security Council resolution establishing a no-fly zone over Libya which they could put forward if they believed conditions warranted it.
But Western allies still appear divided over the wisdom of a no-fly zone and how it would be implemented, and there are doubts over whether China and Russia would support a Security Council resolution authorising such a zone.
Pressed on whether the United States would support a no-fly zone, Clinton said: "We are going to support the efforts that are being made because we think that the people of Libya themselves have to be supported and we know how difficult this struggle is."
U.S. President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron agreed in a telephone call on Tuesday to press forward with planning on a range of possible responses to the Libyan crisis, including a no-fly zone, the White House said.
British Foreign Secretary William Hague said earlier on Tuesday that a no-fly zone would have to have "a clear legal basis, a demonstrable need and strong international support". (Reporting by Olesya Dmitracova and Adrian Croft; editing by Janet Lawrence)
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live blog Oldest Newest Clinton: No-Fly Zone Must Be U.N. Decision
From BBC News:
Any decision to impose a no-fly zone over Libya should be made by the UN and not by Washington, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said.Mrs Clinton said it was important such a move came from the Libyan people, rather than being a US-led effort.
Full story here.
Libya Opposition Struggles To Form United Front
The New York Times examines Libya's inexperienced, fragmented opposition:
The question of the opposition’s capabilities is likely to prove decisive to the fate of the rebellion, which appears outmatched by government forces and troubled by tribal divisions that the government, reverting to form, has sought to exploit. Rebel forces are fired more by enthusiasm than experience. The political leadership has virtually begged the international community to recognize it, but it has yet to marshal opposition forces abroad or impose its authority in regions it nominally controls.Organizers acknowledge the chaos but contend that there is no one else to talk to.
Full story here.
WATCH: CBS News' Mandy Clark Reports Next To Undetonated Bomb
Mandy Clark delivered a report from Libya within feet of an undetonated bomb on tonight's episode of CBS Evening News With Katie Couric. Take a look below.
Yemeni Army Storms University; 98 Wounded
AP reports:
The Yemeni government escalated its efforts to stop mass protests calling for the president's ouster on Tuesday, with soldiers firing rubber bullets and tear gas at students camped at a university in the capital in a raid that left at least 98 people wounded, officials said.
The army stormed the Sanaa University campus hours after thousands of inmates rioted at the central prison in the capital, taking a dozen guards hostage and calling for President Ali Abdullah Saleh to step down. At least one prisoner was killed and 80 people were wounded as the guards fought to control the situation, police said.
Yemen has been rocked by weeks of protests against Saleh, inspired by recent uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia that drove out those nations' leaders. Saleh, a key U.S. ally in the campaign against al-Qaida, has been in power 32 years. In a sign that the protests are gaining traction, graffiti calling for Saleh to step down surfaced Tuesday in his birthplace, village of Sanhan, for the first time since the protests began.
Students at Sanaa University have been sleeping on campus since mid-February, shortly after the start of the protests calling for the country's president to step down.
Medical officials said many of the 98 people wounded were in serious condition. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to release the information. Witnesses reported seeing armored vehicles and personnel carriers headed to the area of the university.
Libyan Oil Trade Paralyzed
Reuters reports on the state of Libya's oil trade:
Libyan oil trade has virtually been paralyzed as banks decline to clear payments in dollars due to U.S. sanctions, trading sources told Reuters on Tuesday.The move follows a decision by major U.S. oil firms to halt trade with Libya and makes it almost impossible for European firms to buy Libyan oil and supply refineries in countries such as France and Italy.
Around half of Libya's oil output, or more than 1 percent of global supply, has already been choked off by lethal clashes between rebels and forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Read the whole story here.
Clinton: Women Must Get Role In Mideast Transitions
AP reports on Hillary Clinton's comments on women in the Middle East today:
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has a message for the would-be democratic reformers of the Middle East: It's time to let women make decisions, too.
Appearing at an all-star gathering of women, Clinton said Tuesday that the transitions from autocracy in Egypt and Tunisia would be incomplete as long as half of society remained blocked off from participating in governance.
"The United States will stand firmly for the proposition that women must be included in whatever process goes forward," she said.
Full story here.
Santorum: Look To Reagan On Libya
Politico reports on Rick Santorum's comments on Libya, and whether his words suggested he favored military intervention in the region:
“Ronald Reagan bombed Libya,” the presidential hopeful told Mickelson. “If you want to be Reagan-esque, it seems the path is pretty clear here.”
Read more here.
10 Non-Violent Options On Libya
The Nation's Carne Ross discusses nonviolent ways to address the crisis in Libya:
Before any violent military action is contemplated, there are other steps available to put pressure on Gadhaffi's regime to step down. These are additional to the welcome steps imposed by the UN Security Council this weekend in UNSCR 1970: ICC referral, assets freeze, travel bans, etc. Some ideas involve the military, but not force.
Read the whole piece here.
Obama, David Cameron Discuss Libya
President Obama discussed the situation in Libya with British Prime Minister David Cameron today, AP reports:
President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron agreed Tuesday to plan for the "full spectrum of possible responses" on Libya including an arms embargo and a no-fly zone.
The White House emphasis on a full spectrum of responses, in a statement on a phone call Tuesday between the two leaders, underscored the potential for a military response from the U.S. and its NATO allies as Libya slips from Moammar Gadhafi's grip and into civil war.
The White House said Obama and Cameron agreed that the objective must be an end to violence and the departure of Gadhafi "as quickly as possible."
The two "agreed to press forward with planning, including at NATO, on the full spectrum of possible responses, including surveillance, humanitarian assistance, enforcement of the arms embargo, and a no-fly zone," the White House said.
Egypt Women's Rights Protest Tainted By Hecklers
AP reports on Egyptians protesting women's rights for International Women's Day:
A protest by hundreds of Egyptian women demanding an end to sexual harassment and equal rights has turned violent when men verbally abused and shoved the demonstrators.
The women who marched to Cairo's central Tahrir Square to celebrate International Women's Day Tuesday were outnumbered by men who told them that they should go home where they belong.
Sexual harassment remains widespread in Egypt. Women are also afraid to report sexual assault or harassment, fearing they and their families will be stigmatized.
Full story here.
Britain Will Strip Gaddafi Of Oil Revenue
The Telegraph reports:
William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, has told MPs that he is considering the case for international action to divert oil revenues into an escrow account that would be administered by the UN on behalf of the Libyan people.The plan, similar to the oil-for-food system imposed on Saddam Hussein's Iraq after the first Gulf War, would require the UN Security Council to invoke its powers under Chapter VII of the UN charter.
Read more here.
Yemeni Army Fires At Student Protesters
AP reports:
The head of Sanaa University's student body says the Yemeni army has fired rubber bullets at tear gas at students who were protesting on campus.
Ridwan al-Masoud said Tuesday students were injured as the army moved in.
Loyalists Block Fleeing Migrant Workers
AP reports that Gaddafi loyalists have blocked more than 30,000 migrant workers attempting to flee Libya for Tunisia:
Soldiers loyal to Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi have blocked some 30,000 migrant workers from fleeing into Tunisia and forced many to return to work in the Libyan capital, a Red Crescent official said Tuesday.
Ibrahim Osman of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies told The Associated Press that the migrant workers were rounded up and held in Libyan immigration buildings near the Tunisian border last week.
Osman, who heads the agency's assessment teams in northern Africa, said Gadhafi soldiers were forcibly returning many of the 30,000 Bangladeshis, Egyptians and sub-Saharan Africans nearing the Ras Ajdir border crossing. He said loyalists held a pro-government demonstration at the crossing and appear to have forcibly return the migrants to service jobs.
"They were pulled back by the Libyans," Osman told The Associated Press. "They were taken back to resume their services, because Tripoli used a lot of those people for basic workers, to clean the hospitals."
Osman said some of the refugees and foreign workers streaming across the border at Ras Ajdir, where he returned from over the weekend, told of seeing Gadhafi's armed soldiers using ambulances as "a tool to enter the hospital" in Tripoli and remove patients to execute them elsewhere.
"People claimed they collect them," he said. "They don't kill them on the bed."
72 Hours
Al Jazeera reports that the head of Libya's opposition council has given Gaddafi 72 hours to step down:
If he leaves Libya immediately, during 72 hours, and stops the bombardment, we as Libyans will step back from pursuing him for crimes.
More here.
Kuwait Protests Swell
Reuters reports on growing unrest in Kuwait:
Several hundred Kuwaitis demonstrated on Tuesday evening for a change of the Gulf state's prime minister and demanded more political freedoms.Protesters gathered in a car park they named "The Square of Change" in front of a government building and called for Sheikh Nasser al-Mohammad al-Sabah, a member of the ruling family, to leave.
Full story here.
Newt Gingrich On Libya
Newt Gingirch said last night on Fox News that the U.S. should institute a no-fly policy in Libya "this evening," calling the Obama administration, which hasn't yet committed to the policy, "confused." Read more and watch the interview here.
Eastern Rebels Under Bombardment
Rebels in the East are still coming under heavy bombardment from Gaddafi forces. According to Reuters:
"People are dying out there. Gaddafi's forces have rockets and tanks," Abdel Salem Mohamed, 21, told Reuters, returning to the oil port of Ras Lanuf from the front as casualties mounted.'They Tore Zawiya Down To Ashes'"You see this? This is no good," he said, gesturing to a light machinegun he was carrying.
Rebel fighters are armed with heavy machineguns, rocket propelled grenade launchers and anti-tank and aircraft weapons, often mounted on 4x4 pick-up trucks, no match for Gaddafi's warplanes and heavy amour.
The battlefield has become mired in attack and counter-attack in a buffer zone of barren desert and scrub between east and west Libya.
Reuters correspondent Mohammed Abbas said: "I have moved on toward the front line. I can confirm rebels are coming under heavy bombardment."
Al Jazeera reported clashes at Bin Jawad, west of Ras Lanuf, saying rebels were advancing under heavy fire and that Gaddafi's forces had launched a barrage of missiles against Ras Lanuf.
BBC News reports:Pro-Gaddafi forces have launched a fierce attack on Libyan rebels in Zawiya, sources in the town say.
Casualties were reported as 50 tanks and 120 pick-up trucks launched three attacks on the rebel-held town 50km (30 miles) west of the capital, Tripoli.
"I don't know how many are dead - they tore Zawiya down to ashes," a source in the town told the BBC.
Read more here.
Audio From Ras Lanuf
The Guardian's Chris McGreal is reporting from the oil port town of Ras Lanuf, and has provided this audio report from the scene in which he describes air strikes that have been pummeling the town:
Video Claims To Show Libyan Soldiers Killed For Refusing To Shoot Rebels
Al Jazeera reports:
Al Jazeera has received pictures that purportedly show Libyan army officers killed for refusing to fire on the rebels, evidence of how Gaddafi deals with "traitors."It is claimed the soldiers refused to shoot rebels in the mountainous region west of Tripoli. The pictures were sent to Al Jazeera by a rebel group in the area.
A survivor of the killings says the men were rounded-up, their legs tied before being shot in the head or back from close range.
It is impossible to independently verify the authenticity of the video.
Full story and video here.
Obama Considering Possible Military Intervention In Libya
The New York Times reports:
President Obama said Monday that the United States was conferring with its NATO allies about possible military action. “We’ve got NATO as we speak consulting in Brussels around a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya,” he said.
Full story here.
Britain's Botched Expedition
Britain's Channel Four has the following report on the botched British expedition to Libya this weekend. British foreign secretary William Hague claimed that the mission was a diplomatic one, rather than military, which drew jeers from the opposition. You can see the report below:
More On Gaddafi's Deal
Gaddafi reportedly made overtures toward opposition forces today, including saying that he would step down in return for some demands. Reuters is now reporting more details:
Al Jazeera said Gaddafi had proposed to Libyan rebels to hold a meeting of parliament to pave the way for him to step down with certain guarantees.It said Gaddafi made the proposal to the interim council, which speaks for mostly eastern areas controlled by his opponents. It quoted sources in the council as saying Gaddafi wanted guarantees of personal safety for him and his family and a pledge that they not be put on trial.
Al Jazeera said sources from the council told its correspondent in Benghazi that the offer was rejected because it would have amounted to an "honourable" exit for Gaddafi and would offend his victims.
You can read the entire report here.
Comprehensive Map Of Libya Fighting
The Guardian has a comprehensive map of the fighting in Libya, including which towns are held by rebel forces and the sites of key events, that you can find here.
Rebels Reject Gaddafi Resignation Meeting Offer
The Guardian reports:Gaddafi's reported offer of a meeting to consider his resignation has been rejected by the interim rebel government in eastern Libya, Al-Jazeera are now reporting.
The channel said that he had proposed the meeting of the General People's Congress, or parliament, to the interim council based in the rebel-controlled city of Benghazi.
BBC News reports that the rebels rejected the deal as it would mean an "honourable" exit for Col Gaddafi, Reuters quotes the channel as saying.
Gaddafi Wants To Hold Congress That Will Let Him Stand Down 'With Guarantees'
Al-Jazeera has just reported that Col Gaddafi is to hold a people's congress to let him stand down with guarantees.
Reuters is now reporting that opposition forces have rejected offers for talks from Gaddafi.
More to follow.
Reuters Reports Possible People's Congresses
Reuters sent the following tweet, which seems to indicate that Gaddafi might be willing to step down:
MSNBC reports:
In Ras Lanuf, a warplane launched an airstrike on a car carrying a family and may have killed one or more of them, witnesses said.Several witnesses said one man, possibly the father or grandfather, had died. Others said two children were badly wounded and one of those said two children died. It was not immediately possible to confirm any of the deaths.NATO Steps Up Libya Aerial Surveillance Of Libya
BBC News reports that Nato has now decided to boost flights of AWACs surveillance planes over Libya from 10 to 24 hours a day, the US Ambassador to Nato, Ivo Daalder, says.
What Should Obama's Response Be?
Thomas E. Ricks looks at Obama's options in Foreign Policy. He outlines a number of scenarios, and outlines his favorite:
Best option: Give the Libyan rebels the aid they need to win. This may be no more than some secure communications gear and a couple of thousand rocket-propelled grenades to deter Qaddafi's tanks and SUVs. (This may be already happening in some form.) Can we start flying discreet charter flights of stuff into some airports in the east? This needs to be ready to go ASAP -- like yesterday.
Check out the other options here.
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david5000 8 minutes ago (6:28 AM) 197 Fans Follow http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/egypt-officials-10-killed-in-clashes-between-muslims-and-christians-in-cairo-1.348119The Christians in Egypt are cursing the day they went to the streets to get rid of Mubarak.
For 30 years they were protected and now they are losing a church or a priest every day. david5000: http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/egypt-officials-10-killed-in-clashes-between-muslims-and-christians-in-cairo-1.348119 The Christians in Egypt are cursing the day they http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/david5000/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010688.html Permalink | Share it
excellent chef 9 minutes ago (6:27 AM) 56 Fans News coming in of 3 of Gaddafi's biz jets taking off simultaneously from Tripoli heading to Egypt via Greek airspace (Eastern Libyan airspace is hostile to him). Is this him taking a chance of escape before a no fly zone being implemented? We will no in less than an hour excellent_chef: News coming in of 3 of Gaddafi's biz jets taking http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/excellent_chef/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010656.html Permalink | Share it
FalseConsciousness 12 minutes ago (6:24 AM) 1261 Fans Washington and the European powers appear to be exploiting the brutality of Gaddafi to condition public opinion to accept a colonial-style intervention in Libya, and the reestablishment of imperialist control over the country’s oil fields. The Obama administration's main concern is the possibility of a protracted civil war, which would further inflame world oil prices and destabilize other oil-producing dictatorships across the region, including Saudi Arabia, or a political vacuum over which the US may not be able to exert its influence. FalseConsciousness: Washington and the European powers appear to be exploiting the http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/FalseConsciousness/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010603.html Permalink | Share it
drbillybob 13 minutes ago (6:23 AM) 372 Fans China and Russia will never support a UN Resolution. It will be up to NATO (read USA) once again ... drbillybob: China and Russia will never support a UN Resolution. It http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/drbillybob/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010594.html Permalink | Share it
vinny 0 minute ago (6:36 AM) 675 Fans why are china and russia against a resolution?economic advantage to russia?
what about china? vinny: why are china and russia against a resolution? economic advantage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/vinny/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010870.html Permalink | Share it
Nacho Maiz 14 minutes ago (6:22 AM) 2 Fans Follow the only way to maintain successful oil and gas trade would probably be to make sure gaddafi falls because the west is clearly supporting the revolution. therefore if gaddafi maintains his sovereignty then he would not be supportive of trading with the west, thus raising oil and gas prices. for the prices not to rise even more gaddafi has to be thrown out of government. (for those worried about oil and gas trade) Nacho_Maiz: the only way to maintain successful oil and gas trade http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Nacho_Maiz/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010579.html Permalink | Share it scepto-cynic 16 minutes ago (6:20 AM) 60 Fans "We want to see the international community support it," she told Sky News when asked about a no-fly zone over Libya."Rather than waffling and stating the obvious, Clinton should work with the UK and France at the UN in getting the necessary UN resolution on a "no-fly-zone".
All this talk about getting a peaceful solution while Gadaffi is slaughtering his people makes no sense. scepto-cynic: "We want to see the international community support it," she http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/scepto-cynic/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010532.html Permalink | Share it
belogical2010 20 minutes ago (6:16 AM) 129 Fans We need to understand that the people of Libya and the middle east have been being killed and tortured for years. The US and the west want people to think they care about the people, but nothing could be further from the truth. They are acting now because it threatens their economies pure and simple, they could care less about the people, it is just an excuse to protect their wealth and power. belogical2010: We need to understand that the people of Libya and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/belogical2010/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010451.html Permalink | Share it localwonk 26 minutes ago (6:10 AM) 63 Fans Well, well, well. Clinton who criticized Bush for forming his own "coalition of the willing" on Iraq is now finding that Bush was right in his approach. The UN was unwilling to do what was needed then and she will soon see they are now equally unwilling. If you want to do what is needed, the USA will once again need to lead.Now, she's calling for someone else to lead. This is the Obama Illinois Senate strategy: vote present. What a feckless foreign policy. localwonk: Well, well, well. Clinton who criticized Bush for forming his http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/localwonk/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010352.html Permalink | Share it
King Creole 14 minutes ago (6:22 AM) 27 Fans Of course were will be paying for Iraq for the next fifty years. King_Creole: Of course were will be paying for Iraq for the http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/King_Creole/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010577.html Permalink | Share it
HUFFPOST SUPER USER Kate Zeiss 12 minutes ago (6:24 AM) 242 Fans Follow Give me a "feckless foreign policy," anyday, over the "fools rush in foreign policy" we are so famous for . . . Kate_Zeiss: Give me a "feckless foreign policy," anyday, over the "fools http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Kate_Zeiss/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010602.html Permalink | Share it
OnTopicOffTopic 8 minutes ago (6:29 AM) 2454 Fans Yeah, we should continue to meddle with our military and drive the country completelyinto bankruptcy. Then we better save enough fire power to attack China when they call
in their I.O.U. OnTopicOffTopic: Yeah, we should continue to meddle with our military and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/OnTopicOffTopic/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010689.html Permalink | Share it
bridgeman 30 minutes ago (6:06 AM) 1443 Fans I'm not going to stop the slaughter unless someone helps.guess what?
no one will-they never do.
You tell me where the morality of that is?
Lets picket the Libyan embassy that will make us feel better about ourselves.
Meanwhile...innocent people are being exterminated. bridgeman: I'm not going to stop the slaughter unless someone helps. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/bridgeman/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010278.html Permalink | Share it Achim 16 minutes ago (6:20 AM) 152 Fans Enforcement of a no-fly zone outside international law is an act of aggression. UN security council mandate is a "must". But there is more to it. Moral impetus must come from Europe and neighbouring nations. It is a sad thing that this needs reminding at all. Europe and the Arab League are much too slow to act. Achim: Enforcement of a no-fly zone outside international law is an http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Achim/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010529.html Permalink | Share it
drbillybob 9 minutes ago (6:27 AM) 372 Fans Clinton attacked Bosnia without a UN Security Council mandate.Was he a 'war criminal'? drbillybob: Clinton attacked Bosnia without a UN Security Council mandate. Was http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/drbillybob/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010667.html Permalink | Share it
drbillybob 35 minutes ago (6:01 AM) 372 Fans Let's not kid ourselves, everyone - especially the radical Muslims - will know exactly whose planes are attacking an Arab nation. They also know that we can bring much pressure to bear on others to tacitly support our actions at the UN.Just wait until Al Jazeera shows the first civilian casualty dragged out of the rubble ...
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STAY OUT ! drbillybob: Let's not kid ourselves, everyone - especially the radical Muslims http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/drbillybob/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010180.html Permalink | Share it
OnTopicOffTopic 7 minutes ago (6:29 AM) 2454 Fans agreed OnTopicOffTopic: agreed http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/OnTopicOffTopic/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010707.html Permalink | Share it
StevieRayB 45 minutes ago (5:51 AM) 98 Fans It is time for the Europeans and other US Allies to step up. We can't afford it. And, we shouldn't do it. Having soldiers deployed in both Afghanistan and Iraq is enough already !!Besides, I've long thought that a hike in gas prices might be just what this country needs to get it off the dime. As long as gas is cheap, we aren't interested in projects like high speed rail. Rising gas prices forces the consumer to make changes. When gas goes over $5 a gallon (as it has been in most European countries for over two decades, we'll see major changes. More people will drive scooters, more will take the train. Some will ride bicycles. And most of us will be hoping to purchase autos that can achieve at least 40 mpg.
I'm not sure that's a bad thing. StevieRayB: It is time for the Europeans and other US Allies http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/StevieRayB/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010016.html Permalink | Share it independendy 42 minutes ago (5:54 AM) 36 Fans I agree. independendy: I agree. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/independendy/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010066.html Permalink | Share it
brit prof 37 minutes ago (5:59 AM) 336 Fans Iraq and Afghanistan are wars that you happily undertook for your own reasons, certainly not to help the people of those lands.If you want to help Libyans then do so but don't equate protecting civilians in one place with slaughtering them in another. brit_prof: Iraq and Afghanistan are wars that you happily undertook for http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/brit_prof/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010147.html Permalink | Share it
HUFFPOST SUPER USER Kate Zeiss 26 minutes ago (6:10 AM) 242 Fans Follow F&F. Truth be told . . . Kate_Zeiss: F&F. Truth be told . . . http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Kate_Zeiss/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010357.html Permalink | Share it
StevieRayB 22 minutes ago (6:14 AM) 98 Fans Trust me, I am on the same page as you Brit Prof. And, I don't believe the majority of US voters wanted to send our troops into either Iraq or Afghanistan. And, I know for certain that the majority don't want them to remain. "We" didn't happily undertake either of those arenas. Not even. StevieRayB: Trust me, I am on the same page as you http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/StevieRayB/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010423.html Permalink | Share it There are More Comments on this Thread. Click Here To See them All jollyelle 18 minutes ago (6:18 AM) 87 Fans well said. jollyelle: well said. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/jollyelle/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010484.html Permalink | Share it
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR Pennsanic 15 minutes ago (6:21 AM) 414 Fans I doubt anyone in America "happily undertook" the war in Afghanistan or the war in Iraq, although as a nation, Americans at least understood that the Taliban in Afghanistan was protecting the man reportedly responsible for funding terrible violence against American civilians. (In the end, it seems the money pit of Afghanistan is exactly where bin Laden wanted American forces, but that's another thread entirely.) I'm pretty sure most Americans realized Iraq was a boondoggle from day one, or shortly after day one, when Powell's phoney WMD claims began to unwind. We were passive as a nation and let the military industrial complex and the Bush team lead us like lambs into that quagmire. Pennsanic: I doubt anyone in America "happily undertook" the war in http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Pennsanic/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010549.html Permalink | Share it Achim 13 minutes ago (6:23 AM) 152 Fans In conjunction with the Blair government who joined in the effort for their own reasons Achim: In conjunction with the Blair government who joined in the http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Achim/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010590.html Permalink | Share it
Opus Loki 15 minutes ago (6:21 AM) 140 Fans Good observation. Opus_Loki: Good observation. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Opus_Loki/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010540.html Permalink | Share it independendy 49 minutes ago (5:47 AM) 36 Fans The American republican party is an international laughing stock.The American republican party starts wars they can't finish.
Hillary is a GREAT Secretary of State.
Gaining international support is the right thing to do.
Unilateralism is for the incompetent republicans and they are a national disgrace in America. independendy: The American republican party is an international laughing stock. The http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/independendy/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80009952.html Permalink | Share it Dana1982 53 minutes ago (5:43 AM) 80 Fans Is Obama going to kead Americ into another illegal war just to attenion from the public that he's a weak leader? What happened to his promise of getting us out of the bush wars?
Nader 2012! Dana1982: Is Obama going to kead Americ into another illegal war http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Dana1982/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80009895.html Permalink | Share it
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR dwright 43 minutes ago (5:53 AM) 1495 Fans who and what is Americ? Who says he is a weak leader? Not me and many others that are understanding how he is operating.
puhleeze Nader is the equivalent of McCain at this point
The groundwork is being laid right now to pull out of Afghan early dwright: who and what is Americ?
Who says he is a http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/dwright/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010050.html Permalink | Share it
blurredmolly 39 minutes ago (5:57 AM) 375 Fans A light in the fog. blurredmolly: A light in the fog. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/blurredmolly/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010129.html Permalink | Share it
JohnnyBlunders 29 minutes ago (6:07 AM) 10 Fans Don't mock others' grammar and spelling when you're obviously not up to the task, dwright.You're a Community Moderator, and you have a buddha image as your site avatar? Are you about peace? JohnnyBlunders: Don't mock others' grammar and spelling when you're obviously not http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/JohnnyBlunders/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010295.html Permalink | Share it There are More Comments on this Thread. Click Here To See them All
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR Pennsanic 14 minutes ago (6:22 AM) 414 Fans What is "kead"? Pennsanic: What is "kead"? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Pennsanic/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010567.html Permalink | Share it
King Creole 8 minutes ago (6:28 AM) 27 Fans Nader is he still alive. King_Creole: Nader is he still alive. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/King_Creole/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010672.html Permalink | Share it
zenju2 57 minutes ago (5:39 AM) 184 Fans This is the correct stance. The first President Bush (the smart one) worked the system, went through the UN, built a coalition, talked to the international community, and the US served more as 'first among equals.' The results were largely satisfactory and successful and boosted American influence. By contrast, the later President Bush (the dumb one) did NOT work the system, built a joke of a 'coalition,' defied or ignored many in the international community, and the US bore the brunt of it...and now America is still bogged down and massively indebted. America can and should lead in the world, but in concert with other nations of good will. zenju2: This is the correct stance. The first President Bush (the http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/zenju2/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80009835.html Permalink | Share it independendy 41 minutes ago (5:55 AM) 36 Fans I agree. independendy: I agree. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/independendy/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010087.html Permalink | Share it Achim 34 minutes ago (6:02 AM) 152 Fans It was a United Stated acting unilaterally with Britain as its only ally. And even Britain had its doubts about the mindset of the previous administration. Achim: It was a United Stated acting unilaterally with Britain as http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Achim/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010199.html Permalink | Share it
drbillybob 18 minutes ago (6:18 AM) 372 Fans Nonsense.In fact, the Aussies and Dutch actually suffered a higher casualty rate than the US did ! drbillybob: Nonsense. In fact, the Aussies and Dutch actually suffered a http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/drbillybob/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010498.html Permalink | Share it Robster 1 hour ago (5:35 AM) 56 Fans No need for an air cap over Libya, Syrian pilots got a handle on it. Better to send stinger surface to air missiles like Reagan did back in the day- no fuss, no muss, just a smoking hole in the ground and no US boots on the ground. Robster: No need for an air cap over Libya, Syrian pilots http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Robster/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80009772.html Permalink | Share it
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR dwright 42 minutes ago (5:54 AM) 1495 Fans you are kidding, right? dwright: you are kidding, right? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/dwright/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010063.html Permalink | Share it
HUFFPOST SUPER USER Kate Zeiss 24 minutes ago (6:12 AM) 242 Fans Follow And lots and lots of corpses . . . Kate_Zeiss: And lots and lots of corpses . . . http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Kate_Zeiss/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010382.html Permalink | Share it
drbillybob 14 minutes ago (6:22 AM) 372 Fans Libyans with Stingers? I don't know about that. Perhaps if we can put a chip in them so that we can disable them at any time, I'd go for your idea.I'm definitely against an aerial assault ... which is what a No-fly zone entails. drbillybob: Libyans with Stingers? I don't know about that. Perhaps if http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/drbillybob/clinton-no-fly-not-us-decision_n_833258_80010568.html Permalink | Share it Page: 1 2 3 4 5 Next › Last » (13 total) New comments on this entry — Click to refresh
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